Sven Roeder 1:44 Tue Oct 20
The Chinese State Visit
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Two 41 gun salutes ...... getting the full arse licking treatment here
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Qualia
12:01 Fri Oct 23
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-trade-helps-improve-human-rights-its-about-time-we-let-north-korea-and-isis-run-some-of-our-a6704861.html
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The Cult Of Bob
11:58 Fri Oct 23
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Can't stand the tiddlies.
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Monk~koknee
11:54 Fri Oct 23
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I would say China is more authoritarian than totalitarian. Economically it is more liberal than the UK. Definitely a great deal of corruption and shocking safety standards but very smart business people.
The supposed post industrialised economy has been a disaster for the UK and why the country is run by the financial sector.
Infidel is just a Walter Mitty character.
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Hermit Road
11:42 Fri Oct 23
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Infidel isn't a libertarian, he is the biggest socialist on here. Anyone who thinks that the state should have total control over an individual's wealth is anything but a libertarian.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:27 Fri Oct 23
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Mike Oxsaw 10:54 Fri Oct 23
Damn good post that.
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Sven Roeder
11:21 Fri Oct 23
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Selling arms to the Saudi's, bending over for the Chinese ..... its all money and that's all that matters to some.
Before bleating on about tradition , the Queen and GREAT Britain.
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,
11:18 Fri Oct 23
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I have to admit that doing this level of business with a totalitarian regime sticks in the craw somewhat. The Chinese regime has virtually no saving graces for me.
What seems odd is how those of the right and the super right like Infidel ( a confessed libertarian ) are more than ready to jump into bed with this regime and defend doing business with it.
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Mike Oxsaw
10:54 Fri Oct 23
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Infidel 8:00 Thu Oct 22
That's your narrow-minded blinkered interpretation of what I said. I don't hold it against you for you've probably eagerly absorbed all the smokescreen propaganda that makes you feel that way without actually realising it.
My beef is that successive UK governments have known about a skills shortage in key industries since at least the late 1970s and done fuck all to address the situation - if anything they've exacerbated it for their own personal or political aims.
It takes 3 years to put an engineer through a PROPER apprenticeship, and probably another 3 for him or her to acquire work experience.
Had the government taken the bull by the horns in 2009 (or in any year in the preceding 3 decades), the UK would be saying today "Fuck off, China, we don't need your skills, we've got our own," keeping how ever many billions of pounds a nuclear plant costs in it's own sky-rocket. You can add "Take your trains and shove them!" to both the Germans & Italians, too. Collaboration is one thing; avoidable subservience a different matter entirely
Deliberate political action (or inaction) has gotten the UK to the begging-bowl stage. THAT is the real crime here.
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Hermit Road
10:43 Fri Oct 23
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Infidel,
If studying economics leads to the conclusion that all countries always benefit as a whole from trade deals with other nations, I'd say that it should be placed below sociology and cooking on the list of subjects worth studying.
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balders
10:31 Fri Oct 23
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Really don't see whats wrong with this trade deal
Chinese have state funds worth billions , we go into partnership (cheaper than lending from banks). Chinese earn we pay less whats wrong with that
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Infidel
10:08 Fri Oct 23
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Hermit
You would be stunned if Britain's trade with a foreign country delivered benefits to the country as a whole?
I'm guessing you have never studied economics.
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Hermit Road
8:18 Thu Oct 22
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"The principle of an open economy still seems beyond the comprehension of the public..."
Most people aren't against the concept of an open economy, but the idea that we share one with China is staggeringly naive. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that some British people will make money out of a relationship with China, but I'd be stunned if it was to the benefit of the nation as a whole.
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Infidel
8:00 Thu Oct 22
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Oxsaw
You object to foreigners investing in British companies.
You made that pretty clear in your earlier posts.
I am simply pointing out to you that closing the economy to foreign investors - and therefore requiring also that British companies dispose of all their overseas assets - is the road to ruin, advocated only by socialist nationalist parties who hate foreigners.
What part of that do you not agree with?
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Mike Oxsaw
11:43 Thu Oct 22
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Infidel 11:04 Thu Oct 22
So your defence is to fly off into one as opposed to debate the point.
How very left wing of you.
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ray winstone
11:25 Thu Oct 22
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Lily Hammer 10:50 Thu Oct 22
That made me laugh.
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Infidel
11:04 Thu Oct 22
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Oxsaw
Tell you what, why don't we just close Britain to all international trade.
That would be perfect, wouldn't it, because then everything we buy would have to be made in Britain and only British investors would be allowed to invest in British companies.
In fact it's what extreme nationalist left wing parties like the BNP and the Front National in France are proposing - so you have some brilliant intellects in your camp to keep you company.
As long as you are prepared to live with greatly reduced living standards, no welfare, no pension, long periods of unemployment and all the other accoutrements of a closed economy you will be just fine.
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yngwies Cat
10:55 Thu Oct 22
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Last time they were here my wife's old flate mate got nicked for running out in front of the state possession with a free Tibet flag. Was all over the news at the time
He was fuckin odd bloke. Nice motor bike mind.
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Lily Hammer
10:50 Thu Oct 22
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Man who go bed wi' itchy bum, wake up wi' blown finger.
Man who go bed wi' itchy bum and wake up wi' spotress finger, wake up wi' David Camelon.
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Mike Oxsaw
10:44 Thu Oct 22
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Infidel 9:22 Thu Oct 22
So they'll be taking out of the British economy (tax pool) more than they are putting in, giving yet another flight path for capital to flee the UK.
Like you say, it's not a charitable act: their profit on the deal has to come from somewhere/someone.
Show me the big fat pile of cash Britain (not a few, more than likely tax-exiled, individuals) has made from these "investments".
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Infidel
9:23 Thu Oct 22
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*simple
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Infidel
9:22 Thu Oct 22
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Oxsaw
What are you talking about?
Have you understood that China is investing in British nuclear power? It's not a charitable donation.
You do understand that Britain also has substantial investments in China?
The principle of an open economy still seems to be beyond the comprehension of the public, despite it being staggeringly sime.
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